that conversation is precisely because one side of the aisle cannot agree on anything other than keep taxes low and somehow trickle down economics are going to solve all our problem. in that way the president's speech is incredibly forceful, spoken in an empty room. i don't know that the people that need to listen to it are even listening or responding. >> they aren't listening. one, because they don't like the message. two, they don't like the messenger. you said something important epa folks need to hear again, the president's speech about income inquagt quality, this is something the president has been talking about since before he was president. this is consistent. i think what's changed now is the country has moved to a place where now they are ready to hear this message and want something done about it. the only problem is the other side. >> on that skeptical note we'll take a break. president obama is headlining a group of former u.s. presidents, dignitaries and heads of states who will attend tomorrow's memorial for nelson mandela while senator ted cruz is headlining a group of two